An open letter to the County Commissioners, and District attorney.
Dear
This weekend, we held our semi annual meeting in Mesa county, and were alerted to a concerning issue taking place there. The Mesa county chapter made a presentation on what is happening now out there. We then voted to go and tour two of the properties that are having legal issues.
First, lets look at the Colorado state law.
CRS 42-12-402
collector may store one or more motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts on the collector’s property if the vehicle, motor vehicle part, and storage area are maintained so as to not constitute a health hazard, a safety hazard, or a fire hazard; are screened from ordinary public view by means of a solid fence, trees, shrubbery, or other appropriate means; and are kept free of weeds, trash, and objectionable items.
As you can see, your code limiting the space to 5% is not in accordance with Colorado law.
From your code.
2) The screened area shall not exceed more than five percent (5%) of the total parcel size up
to a maximum of twenty two thousand (22,000) square feet or approximately one-half (1/2)
acre.
Buildings do not count towards the 5%.
The State law supersedes your county codes.
Additionally from you code, section 6.06
a. Additional vehicles may be stored on a property when contained within an approved enclosed
structure or when screened from ordinary view by means of a solid fence, evergreen trees or
shrubbery, berm, terrain, or other appropriate means.
As you can see, it is in an enclosed structure, OR screened from ordinary view. At our meeting, we toured the residence in question, and we all agree that the owners property meets a structure as defined by your code.
Anything in a structure is not counted towards your 5% rule. Curious that your codes dept, and attorney thinks they do in the court filing, yet there is other court filing that show they know they do not. Do they normally make up definitions on the fly? In a court filing, that is called perjury.
Structure: See Building.
Building: Anything constructed, erected or placed, which requires a permanent location on the ground or is anchored to the ground, or attached to something having a permanent location on the ground. This includes, but is not limited to advertising signs (on- or off-premise), antennas, satellite dishes, wind generators, and buildings, whether for storage or occupancy. It does not include fences that are less than seven (7) feet in height, poles, lines or other transmission or distribution facilities of public utilities or services.
As you can clearly read, it includes anything anchored to the ground. The structures (Or tents as your codes official called them in the court documents) the property clearly meet your counties codes as structures. So without the State law that does not specify a size limit, The owners property being inside temporary structures, and behind a solid fence, meet your counties codes, by two different views. Even though your codes conflict with state law. Your codes office is lying to the court saying the buildings are included in the 5%, after being on record saying they do not count.
Again, your code says in a structure, or when screened from view. Clearly indicating that structures do not count towards your arbitrary and illegal, 5% rule.
2) The screened area shall not exceed more than five (5) percent of the total parcel size, upto a maximum of twenty two thousand (22,000) square feet or approximately one-half (1/2)acre.
Since your code for vehicle parts, also contradicts with the same state law, and is a cut and paste of your section on vehicles, I will not waste our time copying all that.
We also took a look at the court filing for the properties in question. We find it appalling that an attorney would ask a court for a warrant on mere suspicion of what may be inside, so the code officer can determine what is inside. Besides being a hugh civil rights violation, The county has no business looking inside buildings, based on some wild hunch by a known liar. We certainly hope the judge does not just sign off like that have done up until now with that case. We are looking forward to the State completing its investigation.
We are also appalled that You would ask the court for permission to “Dispose” of the vehicles and parts. If you allow that, it will lead to an egregious error that no amount of money can fix.
The other thing that concerns us is your new ordinance 15. As you can see, and we read in your e-mails, you do know it also conflicts with the state law. Nothing in the state laws give counties the ability to say an unlicensed, or nonoperational vehicle is rubbish. We find it interesting that your county attorney would stand up in front of your meetings and say the new code is to go after the worst of the worst, yet within a week of passing it your county sends out letters to our member clubs members, and threaten them with taking their antique vehicles.
Our intent with this letter is to hopefully get some better minds to look at this, and stop the insanity going on. Please stop your attorneys, and codes officers, and review their actions. Reviewing the documents that were presented to us, shows what appears to be several cases of perjury on county codes, and attorneys parts. We also reviewed many county e-mails, and are appalled by what has taken place. Do not limit your review to just the two cases we looked into, We understand there has been many members that have received letters from your codes department. Also, please mandate that the codes department retain all body camera footage. Having them go missing for a case going to court, is beyond suspicious. Hint, destroying evidence is a felony.
We find it appalling that a state that has so many antique vehicles would harbor law makers that see things the way Mesa County law makers do. We are asking our attorneys to assist the Mesa County car clubs out in these matters The report will also be included in our next quarterly news letter.
We are praying you will step in and put an end to this insanity. Show you represent all your constituents, not just a select few.
We have bought 4 cars from them. I will now have to look at all the paperwork to see what all they packed on. On top of this our last vehicle we bought has been in more that 5 times over 5k spent and over a month in total of being car less on top of issue after issue after a massive repair because they didn’t do it right. Parts and pieces replaced multiple times but weirdly are still leaking or an issue according to other repair shops. In an instance they replaced the timing system in summary when they did that they were told to replace all clamps and other parts outside of the big repair (water pump and housing). That didn’t happen…
A weak or two later one of the clamps broke and my husband had coolant all over while he was out in the desert. Pissed he called red rock let them know he was bringing it back in yet again and that they needed to call a towing company. He was told to “limp it back to the shop”..with no radiator fluid and miles out in the desert needless to say a towing company came and dropped my husband and the truck back off at Hyundai in which they then tried to get out of paying for the tow services. I hope the family owned towing company actually got paid. A couple weeks after that the water pump house exploded.. oh and the rear main seal and oil pan gasket has been replaced a good 3 times but is still leaking.. This is just some of the many many issues we have had with Red Rock Hyundai.
Your article about Tina Peters not being a Gold Star mom was the most insensitive thing I ever read. Officially, legalistically, maybe not, but unofficially she is A Gold Star mom! Just ask anyone who has ver lost a kid in the service. Air shows are done for recruiting purposes, its part of their duty…not entertainment. Who cares what you call it?? It all feels the same horrible way no matter if its gold star, green star, blue star or falling star!! It sucks! And So does your legalism!
To the person calling themselves America,
Sorry I know I am a little late getting back to you. But this must be said. As a vet, the daughter of a vet, the great-granddaughter of a vet, and yes, the great-great-granddaughter of a vet, please don’t tell people you are a vet. You are making us look bad and bringing discredit to the United States Armed Forces.
From an actual service member who served in the cold war, please read a book on Russian history. Through history, individuals can build their knowledge. This allows them to understand what is happening in the world. In these history books, you will notice dots on the page. They are punctuation marks called periods. For the love of the English language, use them. Run-on sentences undermine what you are trying to communicate. Remember, education is valuable and can be obtained at any point in life.
Oh, and you can be sure I am a Democrat.
My late husband & I heard that “jew you down.” Sometimes i’d 1-2 respond “I’ll tell my nonexistent relatives the Rothschilds you said hello.” Left it all on the field for today…..Surreal, i’ll consider it a win to keep Kemp & Raff. Mesmerized into trance by what i feel grateful for. Many if not most in Empty’s district are afraid of her, she phones detractors to bully & threaten them. For that alone may she hit the ditch. Nail biting. Thank you for listening, & for your consistent example of dignified strength.
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Sorry that free speech bothers you if you don’t like it move to Russia it North Korea and let me know how that works for you…try to evolve and not be ignorant and deplorable
No you are divorced from reality but with your mindset of denial with Trumperdoodle there is no getting through to people like you…Trumperdoodle…racist, sexist, pathological liar and narcissist…do you embrace all these if you do you are deplorable and ignorant…enough said
I love when you resort to one word limited vocabulary insults!! It gets em every time! Nasty Jargon always solves a multitude of problems. I will say, Trump was the best problem solver in history
So, as a veteran and a patriot, you’re not shocked and offended by the President bowing before Russia and taking Putin’s word over our own Intelligence Community, even after it was proven that they meddled in our elections, but you are offended by a sign that points out he has significant ties to Russia?
How do I contribute to your cause? I don’t care if it’s tax deductible. I just want to get a donation to you in a way that does not make you any more open to thugs or trolls than you already are. “Home of the Brave” is where you rest your head at night. I salute you.
Hi Ron,
You can contribute to the billboards electronically through PayPal. See the “Contact” information above. Email me directly if you’d rather send a check or use other means.
–Anne
MY SON WORKS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY FIELD HERE IN OUR STATE. I FORWARDED YOUR LATEST BLOG ABOUT TRUMP/REPUBLICANS HAVING NO CONCERN FOR WORKER SAFETY. HIS REPLY WAS “SHE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT TRUMP’S ATTITUDE AND EFFORTS TO MAKE THE WORKPLACE SAFE” HE ALSO SAYS “HAVE HER SHOW US CURRENT SAFETY RECORDS AND REPORTS – WE NEED PROOF, SHE DOESN’T HAVE THEM.”
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Like Rob in his comment, I’m confused on how to sign up for your Blog, it’s unusual to find such major investigative journalism here in Dark Delta Cnty. Ok, I just figured it out, as I filled out my name & all, I saw the little box to check to receive email notifications of new blog posts. I see you are using the more subtle approach to expand your readership rather than a more noticeable clear “call to action” sign up on your site here. Not a problem, I was interested enough to “work” at figuring out how to get your stuff, so I guess you know anyone who figures out how to get your stuff is pretty interested in you, or something like that, of why you add such mystery to signing up. In any event, glad I discovered you, was via a FB post, which I shared to the Paonia Message Board for possible interest, discussing and cussing as PMB tends to do. 🙂
Anne, I have several people who would manually go collect signatures without spending tax payer dollars. Any way you can help me with the proper forms.
Hi Carol! That’s a great offer, we’ll be able to use the help for sure. Under the City charter, Brainard has to be in office 90 days before we can actually have the recall, but I understand we may be able to start working on the recall project after 60 days. Will be in touch!
That’s just silly, Theresa. Are you high?
An open letter to the County Commissioners, and District attorney.
Dear
This weekend, we held our semi annual meeting in Mesa county, and were alerted to a concerning issue taking place there. The Mesa county chapter made a presentation on what is happening now out there. We then voted to go and tour two of the properties that are having legal issues.
First, lets look at the Colorado state law.
CRS 42-12-402
collector may store one or more motor vehicles or motor vehicle parts on the collector’s property if the vehicle, motor vehicle part, and storage area are maintained so as to not constitute a health hazard, a safety hazard, or a fire hazard; are screened from ordinary public view by means of a solid fence, trees, shrubbery, or other appropriate means; and are kept free of weeds, trash, and objectionable items.
As you can see, your code limiting the space to 5% is not in accordance with Colorado law.
From your code.
2) The screened area shall not exceed more than five percent (5%) of the total parcel size up
to a maximum of twenty two thousand (22,000) square feet or approximately one-half (1/2)
acre.
Buildings do not count towards the 5%.
The State law supersedes your county codes.
Additionally from you code, section 6.06
a. Additional vehicles may be stored on a property when contained within an approved enclosed
structure or when screened from ordinary view by means of a solid fence, evergreen trees or
shrubbery, berm, terrain, or other appropriate means.
As you can see, it is in an enclosed structure, OR screened from ordinary view. At our meeting, we toured the residence in question, and we all agree that the owners property meets a structure as defined by your code.
Anything in a structure is not counted towards your 5% rule. Curious that your codes dept, and attorney thinks they do in the court filing, yet there is other court filing that show they know they do not. Do they normally make up definitions on the fly? In a court filing, that is called perjury.
Structure: See Building.
Building: Anything constructed, erected or placed, which requires a permanent location on the ground or is anchored to the ground, or attached to something having a permanent location on the ground. This includes, but is not limited to advertising signs (on- or off-premise), antennas, satellite dishes, wind generators, and buildings, whether for storage or occupancy. It does not include fences that are less than seven (7) feet in height, poles, lines or other transmission or distribution facilities of public utilities or services.
As you can clearly read, it includes anything anchored to the ground. The structures (Or tents as your codes official called them in the court documents) the property clearly meet your counties codes as structures. So without the State law that does not specify a size limit, The owners property being inside temporary structures, and behind a solid fence, meet your counties codes, by two different views. Even though your codes conflict with state law. Your codes office is lying to the court saying the buildings are included in the 5%, after being on record saying they do not count.
Again, your code says in a structure, or when screened from view. Clearly indicating that structures do not count towards your arbitrary and illegal, 5% rule.
2) The screened area shall not exceed more than five (5) percent of the total parcel size, upto a maximum of twenty two thousand (22,000) square feet or approximately one-half (1/2)acre.
Since your code for vehicle parts, also contradicts with the same state law, and is a cut and paste of your section on vehicles, I will not waste our time copying all that.
We also took a look at the court filing for the properties in question. We find it appalling that an attorney would ask a court for a warrant on mere suspicion of what may be inside, so the code officer can determine what is inside. Besides being a hugh civil rights violation, The county has no business looking inside buildings, based on some wild hunch by a known liar. We certainly hope the judge does not just sign off like that have done up until now with that case. We are looking forward to the State completing its investigation.
We are also appalled that You would ask the court for permission to “Dispose” of the vehicles and parts. If you allow that, it will lead to an egregious error that no amount of money can fix.
The other thing that concerns us is your new ordinance 15. As you can see, and we read in your e-mails, you do know it also conflicts with the state law. Nothing in the state laws give counties the ability to say an unlicensed, or nonoperational vehicle is rubbish. We find it interesting that your county attorney would stand up in front of your meetings and say the new code is to go after the worst of the worst, yet within a week of passing it your county sends out letters to our member clubs members, and threaten them with taking their antique vehicles.
Our intent with this letter is to hopefully get some better minds to look at this, and stop the insanity going on. Please stop your attorneys, and codes officers, and review their actions. Reviewing the documents that were presented to us, shows what appears to be several cases of perjury on county codes, and attorneys parts. We also reviewed many county e-mails, and are appalled by what has taken place. Do not limit your review to just the two cases we looked into, We understand there has been many members that have received letters from your codes department. Also, please mandate that the codes department retain all body camera footage. Having them go missing for a case going to court, is beyond suspicious. Hint, destroying evidence is a felony.
We find it appalling that a state that has so many antique vehicles would harbor law makers that see things the way Mesa County law makers do. We are asking our attorneys to assist the Mesa County car clubs out in these matters The report will also be included in our next quarterly news letter.
We are praying you will step in and put an end to this insanity. Show you represent all your constituents, not just a select few.
Sincerely J Chavez,
Secretary CO,CCA
We have bought 4 cars from them. I will now have to look at all the paperwork to see what all they packed on. On top of this our last vehicle we bought has been in more that 5 times over 5k spent and over a month in total of being car less on top of issue after issue after a massive repair because they didn’t do it right. Parts and pieces replaced multiple times but weirdly are still leaking or an issue according to other repair shops. In an instance they replaced the timing system in summary when they did that they were told to replace all clamps and other parts outside of the big repair (water pump and housing). That didn’t happen…
A weak or two later one of the clamps broke and my husband had coolant all over while he was out in the desert. Pissed he called red rock let them know he was bringing it back in yet again and that they needed to call a towing company. He was told to “limp it back to the shop”..with no radiator fluid and miles out in the desert needless to say a towing company came and dropped my husband and the truck back off at Hyundai in which they then tried to get out of paying for the tow services. I hope the family owned towing company actually got paid. A couple weeks after that the water pump house exploded.. oh and the rear main seal and oil pan gasket has been replaced a good 3 times but is still leaking.. This is just some of the many many issues we have had with Red Rock Hyundai.
Your article about Tina Peters not being a Gold Star mom was the most insensitive thing I ever read. Officially, legalistically, maybe not, but unofficially she is A Gold Star mom! Just ask anyone who has ver lost a kid in the service. Air shows are done for recruiting purposes, its part of their duty…not entertainment. Who cares what you call it?? It all feels the same horrible way no matter if its gold star, green star, blue star or falling star!! It sucks! And So does your legalism!
To the person calling themselves America,
Sorry I know I am a little late getting back to you. But this must be said. As a vet, the daughter of a vet, the great-granddaughter of a vet, and yes, the great-great-granddaughter of a vet, please don’t tell people you are a vet. You are making us look bad and bringing discredit to the United States Armed Forces.
From an actual service member who served in the cold war, please read a book on Russian history. Through history, individuals can build their knowledge. This allows them to understand what is happening in the world. In these history books, you will notice dots on the page. They are punctuation marks called periods. For the love of the English language, use them. Run-on sentences undermine what you are trying to communicate. Remember, education is valuable and can be obtained at any point in life.
Oh, and you can be sure I am a Democrat.
My late husband & I heard that “jew you down.” Sometimes i’d 1-2 respond “I’ll tell my nonexistent relatives the Rothschilds you said hello.” Left it all on the field for today…..Surreal, i’ll consider it a win to keep Kemp & Raff. Mesmerized into trance by what i feel grateful for. Many if not most in Empty’s district are afraid of her, she phones detractors to bully & threaten them. For that alone may she hit the ditch. Nail biting. Thank you for listening, & for your consistent example of dignified strength.
My late husband & i heard that a lot, “jew you down.”
Let me guess. You serve the man of the house. And obey him.
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I believe that any way of encouraging a green lifestyle is a helpful step toward protecting the environment on a variety of fronts. I wanted to suggest that you include this Motley fool page on your site for that very reason.
I found this to be a well-researched, practical guide to how individuals can both help the environment and themselves with ‘Going Green’ tips. I think that the financial motivation in this piece is a great way to introduce some to a more eco-friendly lifestyle.
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Sorry that free speech bothers you if you don’t like it move to Russia it North Korea and let me know how that works for you…try to evolve and not be ignorant and deplorable
No you are divorced from reality but with your mindset of denial with Trumperdoodle there is no getting through to people like you…Trumperdoodle…racist, sexist, pathological liar and narcissist…do you embrace all these if you do you are deplorable and ignorant…enough said
I love when you resort to one word limited vocabulary insults!! It gets em every time! Nasty Jargon always solves a multitude of problems. I will say, Trump was the best problem solver in history
So, as a veteran and a patriot, you’re not shocked and offended by the President bowing before Russia and taking Putin’s word over our own Intelligence Community, even after it was proven that they meddled in our elections, but you are offended by a sign that points out he has significant ties to Russia?
Anne
You have a wicked sense of humor. It hits them where it really hurts.
I’m on your blog now. Raise funds. Let’s put the billboards up all over. Here in Boston, we would love it. Well done!!
Talk to Mad Dog PAC. They’d love to help you, and I’m sure you’d have an easy time finding a banner pilot and raising the funds to do it in Boston.
How do I contribute to your cause? I don’t care if it’s tax deductible. I just want to get a donation to you in a way that does not make you any more open to thugs or trolls than you already are. “Home of the Brave” is where you rest your head at night. I salute you.
Hi Ron,
You can contribute to the billboards electronically through PayPal. See the “Contact” information above. Email me directly if you’d rather send a check or use other means.
–Anne
Thanks for the heads up on this election. You can be sure we will vote. *
MY SON WORKS IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY FIELD HERE IN OUR STATE. I FORWARDED YOUR LATEST BLOG ABOUT TRUMP/REPUBLICANS HAVING NO CONCERN FOR WORKER SAFETY. HIS REPLY WAS “SHE DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE ABOUT TRUMP’S ATTITUDE AND EFFORTS TO MAKE THE WORKPLACE SAFE” HE ALSO SAYS “HAVE HER SHOW US CURRENT SAFETY RECORDS AND REPORTS – WE NEED PROOF, SHE DOESN’T HAVE THEM.”
What’s with the yelling, cowboy?
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Like Rob in his comment, I’m confused on how to sign up for your Blog, it’s unusual to find such major investigative journalism here in Dark Delta Cnty. Ok, I just figured it out, as I filled out my name & all, I saw the little box to check to receive email notifications of new blog posts. I see you are using the more subtle approach to expand your readership rather than a more noticeable clear “call to action” sign up on your site here. Not a problem, I was interested enough to “work” at figuring out how to get your stuff, so I guess you know anyone who figures out how to get your stuff is pretty interested in you, or something like that, of why you add such mystery to signing up. In any event, glad I discovered you, was via a FB post, which I shared to the Paonia Message Board for possible interest, discussing and cussing as PMB tends to do. 🙂
How do I subscribe to your blog so that I can be notified of new posts?
Thanks for all you are doing on this issue, totally support from me
Thanks for all you are doing on this issue
Good job
Anne, I have several people who would manually go collect signatures without spending tax payer dollars. Any way you can help me with the proper forms.
Hi Carol! That’s a great offer, we’ll be able to use the help for sure. Under the City charter, Brainard has to be in office 90 days before we can actually have the recall, but I understand we may be able to start working on the recall project after 60 days. Will be in touch!