Grand Junction’s Growing Hate Community

This vehicle provides a sample of the hate-filled mentality of many citizens of Mesa County, Colorado

As the feds mull hate crime charges against Dylann Roof, the shooter in the June 17 massacre at a historic black South Carolina church, the presence of hatred, bigotry and intolerance is growing more evident in and around Grand Junction every day, and it’s not a comforting sight.

Remember this hate-filled, wing-nut truck spotted in Whitewater a few weeks ago?

 

The truck belongs to a local guy named “Marc” who operates a business that manufactures fake fiberglass rocks sized and shaped specifically to hide an arsenal of firearms. Marc designed the rocks to hide rifles, in particular an M4 carbine semi-automatic rifle, and according to his e-commerce website, “a butt load of ammunition.” Marc’s fake rocks come with a pocket-sized copy of the U.S. Constitution, and they sell for $925 each. Marc also makes a fake hollowed-out tree stumps that he designed to hide small arms, like pistols.

The front page of Marc’s e-commerce website bears a threatening “WARNING” to all potential customers. He writes,

If you…

  • Are a liberal or in anyway support the willful destruction of America by this [Obama] regime or…
  • Refuse to recognize that this “shining city on the hill” was founded on Christian principles or…
  • Regard English as your “second language” and are content to let it remain as such…

DO NOT EVEN CONSIDER PURCHASING MY PRODUCT! [MY PRODUCTS] ARE HANDCRAFTED BY PATRIOTS FOR PATRIOTS!

So right up front as part of his business plan, Marc parades his paranoia and intolerance of people with differing political opinions, religions and nationalities.  Below is a photo taken from Marc’s fake rock website, showing Marc and a friend, armed to the teeth with powerful weapons, posing along side the truck he has splattered with paranoid messages.

"Marc" proudly poses alongside his paranoid, hater truck

“Marc” proudly poses alongside his truck

What’s really troubling is that Marc is not an anomaly in the Grand Junction area. He is one of a growing number of Mesa County business owners who are “out” about the hatred and disgust they harbor towards area residents who are different from them. They revile, condemn and insult ethnic minorities, political progressives, women, people of other nationalities and religions, and people of no religion — in short, anyone who differs from them in their beliefs, physical appearance or cultural background.

Mesa County Business Owners Parade Intolerance

Paul Liebe's banner outside his "family friendly" business, NiteLife Billiards, on North Ave.

Paul Liebe’s banner and signage outside his “family friendly” business, NiteLife Billiards, on North Ave.

Business owner Paul Liebe, owner of Nitelife Billiards at 2882 North Ave., is another example of this kind of extremism on display among local business owners. Liebe has said publicly that he believes District 51 schools are teaching Islam to children, that President Obama deserves the death penalty for treason, that homosexuals are carrying out a “War on Morality,” and that the TV show “Glee” promotes teenage sodomy. Liebe didn’t think twice about calling a local woman with whom he disagrees a “cunt” on his public Facebook page, and just like Marc, on his public Facebook page Liebe promotes the use and open carrying of firearms.

Another example of extremism and bigotry among Grand Junction business owners is former Mesa County Sheriff candidate Mike Harlow, who in a July 5, 2014 Facebook post titled “Attention Useless Eaters,” likened the thousands of refugee children fleeing central America for the U.S. to cockroaches. Harlow wrote,

“The overweight kids from the banana belt are your enemies. Not only should you quit tasking your brains trying to help them but you need to disallow them safe haven in your towns or cities. They are in a few cases, babies but they are baby cock roaches.”

Harlow publicly called poor people “parasites” and Japan and Germany “third world toilets.” Harlow’s business is making leather gun holsters. Among the models he makes is a special holster designed to be concealed in a woman’s bra. Of this model, Harlow wrote, “Gals stuff bras with all sorts of gear outside the design parameters. Cigarettes, combs, decks of cards, dice, switchblade knives and crack cocaine are just some of the items I have found in bras. So why not a gun? If you’re pretty, I also offer free fittings.”

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Grand Junction Area Chamber of Commerce President Diane Schwenke’s anti-atheist Facebook post from May 5, 2013, which she said was “Too good not to share.”

Even Diane Schwenke, President and public face of the Grand Junction Area Chamber of Commerce (which claims to be the “voice of business” in the community) felt comfortable enough in May, 2013, to publicly express her personal intolerance of people of differing religious beliefs when she posted an offensive anti-atheist joke on her personal Facebook page, in which she openly stated her affiliation with the G.J. Chamber. Schwenke wrote that the crude joke was “just too good not to share.” This should serve as warning enough to business owners to stay away from joining the G. J. Chamber, unless their business model includes publicly alienating potential customers through insult and intimidation.

Local conservative Marjorie Haun, who promotes the use of firearms and writes in her blog, "ReaganGirl.com," that poverty is a lifestyle choice, white privilege is a myth and marijuana use "turns young men into biological young women."

Local conservative Marjorie Haun promotes the use of firearms and writes in her blog, “ReaganGirl.com,” that poverty is a lifestyle choice, white privilege is a myth and marijuana use “turns young men into biological young women.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) tracks the growth of extremist and hate groups in the U.S., and their leaders. SPLC groups them by ideology: anti-immigrant, anti-LGBT, anti-Muslim, the Patriot Movement, the Sovereign Citizens Movement. SPLC also tracks incidents of right-wing terrorism. The group tries to counter the growth of bigotry and extremism and warn against right wing terrorism, and from what we’re seeing right here on the western slope, these trends certainly need counteracting. The first step is to talk about it, and that’s what we’re doing here.

Western slope political leaders, including the Grand Junction City Council, Mesa County Commissioners and our federal elected representatives, need to take seriously the bigotry, hate speech and intolerance that is increasingly on display in our area, and be concerned that it is occurring alongside the promotion of violence and use of firearms. Our leaders need to roundly condemn such ideology, particularly when it comes from local business owners and their prominent, associated mainstream groups, like the Grand Junction Area Chamber of Commerce.

But we haven’t heard any words of condemnation from any of these officials, have we?

 

 

 

 

60 comments for “Grand Junction’s Growing Hate Community

  1. Bill
    July 1, 2015 at 11:27 am

    wow-lots of anger here-Justin-I have serious doubts that you ever served a day in uniform, if you did-you were not spec ops or Recon, I figure you were low man on totem pole because of your attitude-if you pulled half the shit you claim-I would have you by stack and swivel and cleaning latrines your whole enlistment. You in no way can convince me that you were professional soldier-anyone can google the crap you post. That being said-if have issues, your on the radar now, you do something stupid your doing federal time as hate crime, but your going to end up in psych ward-seems you are social adjustment-illusions of grandeur- or just mentally unstable.
    If you are a vet-get some help-if your not a vet-get some help–nothiong worse then spending your whole life angry at the world-and its all in your mind

    and who ever made the comment about opsec–yep–they never have–thats why I let Justin here spout off —great intel source—and that JHustin is why I do not think you ever served, among other reasons

  2. Andrea
    June 30, 2015 at 5:53 pm

    At least they are upfront and honest about their intolerance. You however hide your intolerance in a blog post that I’m assuming was meant to ” help ” the community, but all you did was name a few people that your intolerant of and clearly have a history with. In no way shape or form do I agree with either side I have my own beliefs and that’s my right.

  3. mason storm
    June 29, 2015 at 10:25 am

    And I am one that has been banned from Anne’s Gun Club Page… Never used profanity, never offered insults, only an opposing view, backed up with stats, provided By FBI, DOJ etc.
    That apparently is offensive…

    • Anne Landman
      June 29, 2015 at 11:05 am

      I never banned you.

      • paulliebe@live.com
        June 29, 2015 at 1:23 pm

        You banned me for the same reason.
        You are a LIAR!

        • CM
          June 29, 2015 at 1:45 pm

          Boys. Wow. Is it possible that there can be more than one administrator to a page? I question your maturity level if this is what you think is worth crying over. Sounds like you pissed off the wrong person to get banned from a page. Boo hoo!

          • mason storm
            June 29, 2015 at 2:35 pm

            Not crying over anything, just responding to a claim that no-one is banned…

          • CM
            June 29, 2015 at 2:42 pm

            Mason Storm, no one has denied that either. So to now what scandal do we owe the panty twist too?

          • Mason Storm
            July 1, 2015 at 9:51 am

            Boxer Briefs, No panty twist here Cathy. . .

        • Anne Landman
          June 29, 2015 at 2:52 pm

          Paul, there are multiple admins for the G.J. Gun Club site, and I haven’t banned anyone from the site.

    • Anne Landman
      June 29, 2015 at 2:53 pm

      Mason, I never banned you or anyone from the Gun Club site. The page has multiple admins, and someone else banned you.

  4. Kyle
    June 28, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    After reading all these comments, there is definitely too much hate here! Any response longer than a couple of sentences shows grave intolerance . .

  5. Damascuss
    June 28, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    Impressive lack of social intuition on display. I own many guns including semi auto rifles and was supporting Ron Paul back when these tools thought Tea Parties were for Brits and fags, and all I can do is shake my head at these buffoons.

    Boys, remember that crazy librarian back in school with a bunch of cat bumper stickers on her car and how everyone, even people who liked cats would snicker behind her back? You see where I’m going with this? I know, I know, but work that social intuition, you can figure it out… I would quite literally laugh in Marc’s face and openly mock him if I was gassing up behind him, just like I do at bleeding hearts who plaster their car with PETA and Hilary stickers.

    This is like a group of guys carrying ARs into McD’s. Yes, you can. No, you shouldn’t. Speak softly and slap a PM45 over your appendix. You don’t convince your town to maintain a rule permitting burning by lighting carpets on fire and stinking up the place for miles around “because you can”. All you do is piss people off and make them vote to take away the burn permits. And guess what bub? You can hole up in your house with as many armed rocks as you want, SWAT will get you out sooner or later, dead or alive.

    You don’t convince the 150 million liberals to hear out your reasoned argument on statistics showing they are 3 times likelier to die by bare hands than by a rifle of any action type with juvenile ” Calvin pissing on your head” graphics and telling them to “Brace for impact”. You convince them that only nutjobs own guns. Because you ARE a nutjob. They vote – their opinions matter.

    Retards like this have just as much to do with MY right to bear arms being threatened as does whatever that incel-aspy-virgin’s name was who shot up the church last. Fuck you guys.

  6. June 28, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    Hey, Anne, ruminate on my humor blog where I wrote –marijuana use “turns young men into biological young women” this way. Since there is a correlation between manboobs and smoking pot, cannabis can become the non-surgical path to full gender transition! You should be celebrating! http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/cannabis-can-cause-man-boobs-us-surgeon-claims-8986357.html

  7. June 28, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    I “promote firearms?” The horror. THE HORROR! Actually, I feel a little slighted that it just says I promote firearms. The truth is, I amass, load, aim, and shoot firearms, with glee. Get that part straight next time. Oops, I said “straight.” Try not to blow a gasket. LOL!

    • Cierra Davis
      June 28, 2015 at 10:39 pm

      ♡ 🙂 hahaha . YES ! Loved your response to all that nonsense !! Go you. Boooo her!

    • Gene
      June 29, 2015 at 4:19 pm

      Blow….a…gasket….oh my !

  8. Anne Landman
    June 28, 2015 at 2:59 pm

    The upset responses and threats from the people I mention in my blog don’t quite make sense. After all, Mr. Liebe put a big “Kiss My Ass Obama” banner across the front of his business and carries on open conversations with people on public Facebook pages. “Marc” put all that loud lettering on the back of his pickup and posed for a photo with it on his e-commerce web page, Marjorie Haun posed smiling with her gun on her “ReaganGirl” blog, and Harlow put his “baby cockroaches” and other pejorative comments out there for all to see while he was running for Mesa County Sheriff. You’d think these folks would WANT their views to be noticed, wouldn’t you? They put their messaging out there for all of us to see, but take great offense when people openly say what we think about it? As the Robot in Lost in Space used to say, “It does not compute.”

    • Cierra Davis
      June 28, 2015 at 10:36 pm

      “I do not compute” your blog post meaning and or purpose. You are hatefully writing about people you presume hate. ..? Intolerance is universal, obviously, and it didn’t skip over you, or me. It will forever be. You are not positively effecting the matters, only stirring strife. Ever hear the expression, kill them with kindness or beat them at their own game? All you did was stoop to a lower level and start a new game that nobody can win. .. you want to reverse the hate, then stop your hating and get off your computer and go out and put your self and goodness into the community the way you are expecting Marc and Mike and whoever the hell else you are putting on blast for NO GOOD reason. You think liberals, atheist, or English as a second language people need a rock gun case then go Paton a different one “designed for them” . I’m not against any other race, religion, culture. I am against propaganda, which is exactly what this is. You don’t know reasons behind these beliefs, only assume, and I bet you didn’t even attempt to understand, which writes you off as any credible source! A completely biased article that was uncalled for. Even if these four people among many others were conforming to one or more various hate groups, you have done NOTHING to express that with anything other than what the public already sees and knows. Everyone is entitled to their very unique, individual morals and beliefs, including politicians, business owners, christians, atheists and every other human on this Earth; which by the way, no one truly owns. … blllaaaahk! Had to get that off my chest being a “GJ native”. Beautiful place, idiot citizens.

    • Mike Harlow
      June 29, 2015 at 1:44 pm

      Anne;

      Are you being threatened AGAIN? I’ve been reading most of the comments and have missed these threats. You seem to think everyone’s out to get you. Do you suppose you feel this because of guilt over the slander you print about them? Yes, I think you’re EXPECTING, no HOPING for retaliation so you can sic the Southern Poverty Law Center above on them. I think you’re counting on this “retaliation” as a reason to get us classified as right wing nut jobs with too many guns or better yet as terrorists so we can be false arrested under the unconstitutional EMERGENCY POWERS ACT. I swear I read the posts and I’m just not seeing these mysterious threats. Tell me Anne, are the threats coming from your victims or is it the voices in your head? Are there blinding head aches when you hear the voices? Are you still drinking moonshine? This paranoia is disturbing. We’re here for you. We’re concerned. Your friend, Mike

    • paulliebe@live.com
      June 29, 2015 at 1:45 pm

      The only reason You post at all is to attack people and their rights.
      Let me explain RIGHTS to You.
      RIGHTS: Don’t need permission from anyone, they are GOD given and Natural.
      Oh I forgot, You don’t believe in Our imaginary GOD!
      What was I thinking, You’re a Liberal.
      You think the Government is our mommy and daddy. You think we need permission, just to breathe.
      Something Your thin Liberal skull doesn’t understand, FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
      Try reading the “United States Constitution” and the “Bill of Rights”
      The same one You claim Your Rights are from.
      I don’t pick and choose from the Bill of Rights, I respect them ALL!
      Same with the TRUE form of the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, The LAW of OUR LAND.
      Sorry there is so much truth in this for You.
      I hope Your head doesn’t explode, hearing things that are different from Your point of view.
      Yes there are other points of views other than YOURS.

      Your Friend Paul, A GOD fearing, Flag waving, Gun toting, PATRIOTIC REAL AMERICAN. ( not like yourself)

  9. Anne Landman
    June 28, 2015 at 2:27 pm

    If you find it embarrassing or shameful to read your own quotes, then likely some self-reflection is in order. If you wouldn’t want your own mother to see what you’ve written publicly, then it might be better not to write (or say) it.

  10. John Moore
    June 28, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    Have you tuned into the “Jade Helm” conspiracy stuff? and empty WalMart stores being used to house troops, some foreign, for the purpose of enforcing an anticipated declaration of Marshall Law by President Obama? I’m not making this up. Google it.

  11. Cathy
    June 28, 2015 at 11:33 am

    I believe Anne said it best when she stated that “They revile, condemn and insult ethnic minorities, political progressives, women, people of other nationalities and religions, and people of no religion — in short, anyone who differs from them in their beliefs, physical appearance or cultural background.” Something that has also been brought to the forefront, again, in the comments on this blog. The hypocrisy is astounding!

    Both of my parents served and are retired military vets along with various other family members. I can assure you what has transpired in this valley and the rants on this post specifically is NOT a reflection of their values they upheld in their services for our country and now active American citizens.

    Justin, Bill, and Mike, thank you!

    Sincerely,

    Miss C.U.N.T./ Foul Mouthed Skank (A title that has been bestowed upon me by the ilk of those mentioned in this blog. You don’t scare me by the way)

  12. eric niederkruger
    June 28, 2015 at 11:13 am

    Whole lotta FEAR in some of these postings. Damn, I’m not this scared and I have been shot! Life is good, Young-Man-Afraid-His-Horses. BTW, you guys know anything about OpSec? Didn’t think so…

    • Robyn Parker
      June 28, 2015 at 11:47 am

      Some guys get their panties way too twisted.

  13. Mike Harlow
    June 28, 2015 at 1:04 am

    WATCH OUT, SHE’S OFF HER CHAIN AGAIN.
    Anne; My God but you’re a hypocrite. You call everyone not conforming to your ideology a bigot. You call everyone not agreeing with your narrow views extremists. You call people intolerant of others. It never occurs to you that Paul, Mark, Marjorie and myself might be intolerant of the tyranny brought to us by the ass clowns you elected. These four people refuse to be victims, sheep or communists. We are intolerant of taxation without representation. We reject the government pissing on our shoes and telling us it’s raining. We reject your attitude that you’re somehow superior because you’re happy being helpless. You fools give our earnings to non-earners. Do-gooders never reach into their own pockets but dip into ours without consulting us. Your bigotry is against people with backbone and self confidence. You are an atheist yet you don’t utter a word against the only religion that instructs its followers to kill you. THAT makes you a fool and a really annoying one. You’re begging to be sued for slander. I think four business owners might be able to afford a pretty good attorney. Get back in your own yard and think about it. Next time you hack up a hairball, don’t mention my name.
    Mike Harlow

    • pam smith
      June 28, 2015 at 11:22 am

      If your comment was made to make your point of view seem like it is reasonable, Mr Harlow, you have failed miserably!

      • paulliebe@live.com
        June 28, 2015 at 1:23 pm

        Your opinion, proves You are dumber than a rock.

        • Cathy
          June 28, 2015 at 1:38 pm

          Paul, I saw your rant that you shared with over 30 plus pages on Facebook. You linked a pro-gun club within that rant that I know you are truly not affiliated with. Even passed it off as your own page. Just thought you should know.

      • MIke Harlow
        June 29, 2015 at 1:51 pm

        Pam;
        If I failed miserably at feigning reason, do you suppose it was because I was casting pearls before swine?

    • Robert
      June 28, 2015 at 12:18 pm

      Way to make yourself look worse there Mr. Harlow. Insults always get the message across (sarcasm.) That was a very hate filled and hateful response from someone defending themselves from being accused of being part of a hate group….

      • Mike Harlow
        June 29, 2015 at 1:59 pm

        Robert;

        I’m responding to a hate group. The writer called me the ugliest face of Mesa County and on more than one occasion. Do you call that flirtation? Do you call that a compliment? I’m responding to an attack. If you think this was rough, try something more manly. Try slapping me. I respond to that too but it isn’t very often anyone can muster that much courage. Now go put on some dry pants.

    • Nathan
      June 28, 2015 at 6:12 pm

      Marc,
      You are not a patriot, you do not espose “American values”, and conservatism is much more closer to communism that liberalism will ever be.

      Lets look at the similarities between conservatism and communism first. The Peoples Republic of China has forbid the formation of unions, as did the USSR. Conservatives, while waxing nastalgic for the 1950’s, (a time when US Unions were at their strongest and the US economy was also at its strongest), want to stop workers from having the right to unionize. The USSR and the Peoples Republic of China let industry pollute at will with no regulations controlling air, land or water contamination from industrial waste. Conservatives have very short memories and seem to have forgotten what US cities were like prior to environmental regulations that came about in the 1970’s and they want to deregulate industry so we can once again live in smog filled cities with rivers that catch on fire. The USSR and The Peoples Republic of China didn’t (and doesn’t) care what industry does but they micromanaged the individual citizens lives, telling them what books, movies and religion were approved of by the state. Conservatives want to deregulate industry so there are no rules at all, but they love regulating the individual citizen’s life, telling them which religion they can practice, what books and movies are approved of, who they can marry and even who they can have sex with.

      As for Obama being a “marxist”, well that is beyong laughable, the stock market, the main symbol of capitalism, is at an all time high, double what it was when Bush left office. Business taxes are lower than they were under Reagan and consumer confidence has quadrupled since President Obama took office.

      As far as you being a patriot………….. NO, you are a traitor! Your constant belittling of the president makes this country look weak and divided. President Obama has done nothing different that any of his predecessors to warrant your hatred. Well except for the fact that he helped millions get insurance, he saved the economy that Bush destroyed and he is the most respected leader in the world (unlike Bush who was the most hated).

    • Chris
      June 28, 2015 at 9:50 pm

      Mike Harlow. On my list of who not to vote for!
      Spread the word of who not to vote for

    • Cierra Davis
      June 28, 2015 at 10:09 pm

      Mike,

      We are all hypocritical and contradict our own belief system. Just how you disagree to give to the needy, although have (assumed because I have no idea or care of who you or any of these people are, just the issues) possible strong Christian beliefs, where Jesus specifically states to give not only your coat when someone asks but the shirt off your back as well. Not condoning to welfare or any political sense. Was just pointing out how ALL of you sound ridiculous! If I was you I would just laugh this off, does it offend you that bad to retaliate and stoop low? Do you truly let whoever wrote this article win your self esteem and control? Let’s all just go back to minding our own businesses, and lives. With that, I will leave with my own advice. Best of wishes, bitches.

    • Cody
      June 29, 2015 at 5:13 am

      All guns should be banned! YOU are a part of a MINORITY in this country and the world who believe they need guns to be SAFE, HAPPY or FREE. You are SO blinded by your own arrogance that you can’t see BOTH sides of this issue are the WRONG side and we all need to find a CENTER. As long as we have GUNS we will have needless and incredibly tragic shootings when people, whose HATE overwhelms them, take actions that are irreversibly detrimental to the ultimate cause of peace: To overcome TYRANNY and to live HAPPILY with your family and community (the WHOLE of the planet’s inhabitants, black, white, brown, WHATEVER race, tribe or patrilineal descent) whose well being is ultimately linked to yours. Is that not what the FACADE of the ultimate goal of WAR with is…To be at PEACE and live in harmony with the people you are born alongside? I DO however understand that as long as we have an unfathomably LARGE and overwhelmingly CONTROLLING government, we will have people like YOU who live in constant FEAR and PARANOIA over being the object of that foreign monster’s appetite for OWNERSHIP and CONTROL. Please search a little deeper for something that can bring you closer to that CENTER. Consider (since the radically right often cite Christianity as a cornerstone for this nation’s ideology) that Jesus would have never shot anyone with a gun, much less owned one and put himself in a position where he might have had to use one. YOU as a human individual are ultimately so weak and small in the grand scheme of things…Perhaps take more pride in knowing that you are not alone in the struggle and that you can find more dignity in ACCEPTANCE than RESISTANCE. I know it sounds ridiculous…but i must love YOU (and you must love your fellow human), despite our ugly tendencies toward violence, because HATING and forcefully pacifying people will never result in PEACE. You must CHOOSE to be at peace with the WORLD because the WORLD will never be exactly the way you want it to be. I am NOT overly religious, political or opinionated, but I know from experience that you will only find DARKNESS and further SADNESS in the kind of resistance you are trying to foster. God Bless.

      • Mike Harlow
        June 29, 2015 at 2:07 pm

        Cody;
        I’m sorry I have to ask but are you a Miss America contestant?
        The rhetoric would indicate so.

        • Cody
          June 30, 2015 at 5:20 pm

          No, Mike. I happen to be a man with nothing but LOVE and PITY for you. My POINT was that it’s no good attacking people, verbally or otherwise…even hateful people like you. I think that you’re scared and confused like most of the people who grew up in a hostile environment where it’s wrong to be “meek” or “humble” at all. That’s an interesting comeback by the way. Do you think women are stupid or ignorant? I think some of your friends are right…You should seek professional help in order to deal with some of the violent things that you’ve seen and might have done during your time in the military.

  14. Dave Edwards
    June 27, 2015 at 2:48 pm

    Great seeing you last night, Anne — great blogpost — Dave

  15. Anne Landman
    June 27, 2015 at 10:37 am

    Thanks for identifying yourself, Justin.

    We strive for a peaceful community where people openly discuss differences and strive to get along with each other, not a community where bigotry and hatred are prominent features and people feel they must live in fear.

    • paulliebe@live.com
      June 28, 2015 at 1:31 pm

      Then why are You afraid of Guns and people that own them?
      *******************************
      Why must You slander them and threaten them?
      ***********************************
      If You are such a peaceful community where people openly discuss differences and strive to get along, why do You attack all who oppose YOUR way of thinking?
      ***********************************************
      Why do You call them dozens of names and BAN them from Your page?

      • Mel Safken
        June 28, 2015 at 2:32 pm

        Hey Paul… just because there are people who want to ban trigger happy lunatics from owning guns, doesn’t mean those same people want to take everyone’s guns away. sheesh
        Doesn’t mean we are “afraid” of them, either. I know how to return fire… in all realms of my life thank you.

        • Greg Kirnie
          June 28, 2015 at 11:02 pm

          Guns don’t kill people, people do. That’s exactly why I support universal background checks.

      • Anne Landman
        June 29, 2015 at 5:38 am

        I have not called anyone names, nor have I banned anyone from anything.

        • Mike Harlow
          June 29, 2015 at 2:14 pm

          Liar!!!!
          EXTREMIST,
          UGLIEST FACE OF MESA COUNTY
          HATER
          AMERICA HATER are just a few off the top of my memory without going back and reading your bile. I’d cut and paste your words for you but I see it’s protected against that. Hey Anne…….get some help.

      • Anne Landman
        June 29, 2015 at 8:33 am

        M.r Liebe, I’m wondering, if all gun owners are peaceful and legit about owning firearms and there’s no need to fear them, then why does Marc need to sell fake rocks and tree stumps designed to stash and hide them?

  16. Justin Coutu
    June 27, 2015 at 9:43 am

    Once again the typical limp liberal response to something “frightening” or doesn’t follow their warped social elite, entitled belief system (they actually think they are better, more intelligent, and only they can possibly fix all the issues in the world because the rest of us are ignorant bigots, lol)…as long as everyone goes along with what is okay in the liberal mind all is good in their world…. I’m not the smartest guy but what I have discovered in my life of travel, war, love, etc, etc, etc, is the world I once knew is over. It is so far beyond partisan politics or what puppet resides in the Whitehouse or who controls congress. The only people I spend time with are people that are self reliant and want nothing from the government, why? because it’s irresponsible to spend money we don’t have and our children (my daughter to be more specific) will be paying the bills for our inability to stand as men and woman and stop being selfish children who want everyone to have everything now. Remember that famous quote from that guy? .. something along the lines of “sacrificing your liberty for security” look it up It’s worth the read.

    Long live the Republic

    Justin C.
    US Army vet. Reconnaissance specialist
    Private security contractor, Iraq
    (Marc’s friend standing to his right in the photo, we weren’t armed to the teeth that was only what we could fit in the photo)

    • Bill Rasmussen
      June 27, 2015 at 10:58 am

      Hi Justin
      I am army retired, 3 combat tours with army and Marines, and may I say you are a disgrace to the uniform. Trying to look like a spec ops guy and acting all bad ass. Leave the war back in Afghanistan, if this is how you want to live, go back there.
      Maybe you need some counseling I suggest checking with VA, you do have some re, adjustment issues.
      Respectfully
      Bill Rasmussen
      US Army Retired

      • Justin C
        June 27, 2015 at 12:42 pm

        Respectfully Bill? That is laughable, actually looking and being are two different things. I’d expect more from a combat Marine, then again you were probably supply or a mechanic. Being a disgrace would imply that I was wearing that uniform of which I was not, that happens to be my contractors kit (that I still use regularly), which I wore while employed by your Great Leader (assuming you voted for him), lol. Counselling would imply I have some physiological issue, of which I do not, hence having held security clarence thus leading to my previous employment as a contractor in Iraq. I understand that your level of resolve and mine are not the same and you are fine allowing our future generations pay for our laziness. I am not fine with a tyrannical government enslaving me or my family. ..if I remember correctly we both took an oath, you must have forgotten yours. You use strong words now but with little effect, much like a Chihuahua nipping at the heels of a bull… remember a warrior is a great man (or woman) that can hold the hilt of the mightiest sword in one hand and the hand of the smallest child in the other. … do not forget our obligations to the generations yet to be, if we do nothing they will have nothing. We are past the point of political finger pointing, we are all to blame for allowing the willful destruction of our nation. Bill, if you’d like to meet a real “bad ass” as you called me, I’ll be up in Colorado to visit in a couple weeks. We could have a snobby intellectual chat over a latte 😉

        Regards,
        Justin C. (Bills bad ass)

        • Bill Rasmussen
          June 27, 2015 at 5:13 pm

          Hi Justin,
          So hows this angry Ed working out for you? Do you really think that being mad and angry will change things, think your going to change the way things are ? That’s called readjustment, theres things I don’t like, but I am not spouting off about shooting the world up and being some unfortunate vet that needed help who went on killing spree. You have some issues that you need to address, you need counseling, and you need to get rid of people that are toxic to your life, like that scumbag Marc. Heres what I see so far, your already on radar as a terrorist group probably with FBI and SPLC, that’s not good. Your manifesto you sent, which is now public record is now public domain and can be used against you. Recon Ranger you are not, so, go talk to VA, get some help, I will keep copies of all emails and will forward to appropriate officials as needed.

          You need to get over it, the wars over, and you have a life to live, try not hating everyone in the process, it will eat you alive

          • Justin C
            June 27, 2015 at 9:05 pm

            Bill that’s a textbook liberal response to something you haven’t a rational response to. If you can’t come forth with facts, spew verbal diarrhea… this is the first time I’ve responded to a blog, complete waist of time trying to convey thoughts and ideas with those who have their heads in their bottoms looking for the land of of unicorns and possibly a pot of gold. Good luck with your liberal agenda, I must say it is working with the copious amounts of sheep in today’s society. As for being on a watch list, I know I am, since your Great Leader has pinned all god fearing, American patriots in the same category as racist hate groups and bigots (bravo). I will not respond to any further comments but know this, you know the person you are when you lay in bed, alone inside your head (you are probably well aware you are manipulative scum)… liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

            Long live the Republic

          • Bill Rasmussen
            June 27, 2015 at 9:53 pm

            Wow dude, classic denial syndrome that spouted by Fox, theres an 800 number for PTSD and Combat stress available to you , that’s if you were OIF/OEF. You seem to fit right into the typical pattern of Extremist Radicalization Syndrome. Saw a few while I worked for NARMC at WRAMC. Did see some at Ramrod and Spencer also, but more while at Hood. Dude, this is going to get you in trouble, your already on radar. Suggest you get help

      • Robyn Parker
        June 28, 2015 at 11:25 am

        Anne Landman has the haters’ panties so twisted that they’re probably self-castrating. I love the threats to sue her for slander. Good luck finding a lawyer who thinks it’s illegal to quote people directly or to share their publications. Interesting, too, that the haters are so offended to read about their own activities. They don’t seem to take much pride in their work.

    • paulliebe@live.com
      June 28, 2015 at 1:33 pm

      Justin, very well said.
      Thank You for Your service to OUR Country!
      GOD BLESS YOU.

    • Cody
      June 29, 2015 at 5:15 am

      All guns should be banned! YOU are a part of a MINORITY in this country and the world who believe they need guns to be SAFE, HAPPY or FREE. You are SO blinded by your own arrogance that you can’t see BOTH sides of this issue are the WRONG side and we all need to find a CENTER. As long as we have GUNS we will have needless and incredibly tragic shootings when people, whose HATE overwhelms them, take actions that are irreversibly detrimental to the ultimate cause of peace: To overcome TYRANNY and to live HAPPILY with your family and community (the WHOLE of the planet’s inhabitants, black, white, brown, WHATEVER race, tribe or patrilineal descent) whose well being is ultimately linked to yours. Is that not what the FACADE of the ultimate goal of WAR with is…To be at PEACE and live in harmony with the people you are born alongside? I DO however understand that as long as we have an unfathomably LARGE and overwhelmingly CONTROLLING government, we will have people like YOU who live in constant FEAR and PARANOIA over being the object of that foreign monster’s appetite for OWNERSHIP and CONTROL. Please search a little deeper for something that can bring you closer to that CENTER. Consider (since the radically right often cite Christianity as a cornerstone for this nation’s ideology) that Jesus would have never shot anyone with a gun, much less owned one and put himself in a position where he might have had to use one. YOU as a human individual are ultimately so weak and small in the grand scheme of things…Perhaps take more pride in knowing that you are not alone in the struggle and that you can find more dignity in ACCEPTANCE than RESISTANCE. I know it sounds ridiculous…but i must love YOU (and you must love your fellow human), despite our ugly tendencies toward violence, because HATING and forcefully pacifying people will never result in PEACE. You must CHOOSE to be at peace with the WORLD because the WORLD will never be exactly the way you want it to be. I am NOT overly religious, political or opinionated, but I know from experience that you will only find DARKNESS and further SADNESS in the kind of resistance you are trying to foster. God Bless.

      • Mason Storm
        June 29, 2015 at 10:02 am

        Minority Cody? At 88.8 Guns per hundred people in this Country I would hardly call that… a minority. . . .

      • paulliebe@live.com
        June 29, 2015 at 2:17 pm

        CODY
        Over 100 million REGISTERED GUN owners in the USA, that doesn’t count un-registered gun owners. (add 10 to 15% to that number)
        estimated 110 million to 125 million or more gun owners.
        With our population at about 313 million.
        When You take the 80+ million children out of the population numbers.
        Take the confined criminals, felons, Illegals and those that can’t own a firearm out of the equation.
        You wind up with about 200 million people that can own firearms in the USA.
        OVER half of them own guns.
        Do You understand math?
        So who is in the minority, now.
        ******************************
        REAL Americans, own guns.
        *********************************
        FYI, Guns will always be in the USA.
        ********************************************
        The second civil war would start if they ever try to take them.
        ***********************************************************************
        “Better to own a gun and not need one, than need one and not have it”

        • Cody
          June 30, 2015 at 5:59 pm

          What i said about banning all guns is ridiculous…I know it is. My point was that if we as a race could evolve past the point of needing or wanting to shoot at each other with guns. I suppose guns are a necessary evil. I just want no part in it. You can keep your guns and I’m sure that someday you’ll find an opportunity or rather an excuse to use them to take a life. America has always been and will continue to be a country of hard headed fools like yourself. We’ve been destroying the land and it’s natural beauty since we began settling it for Christ-sake!

          You’re defensive and that’s a very obvious sign of weakness in somebody’s character.

          “America when will we end the human war?
          Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb”

          – Allen Ginsberg

          I honestly have nothing but love and pity for you people.

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